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1. Abandon Lumo and use resources to address deficiencies in Proton's core secure IT services

   Of course, I have no idea how many people use Lumo or how valuable a business this is to Proton. I hope this suggestion may flush that knowledge out.

   Customers buy Proton services for its secure IT communications. That is - as far as I know - Proton's core business and its unique selling point.

   Many companies offer AI chatbots which - if they're ever useful at all (about which I have doubts) - improve through scale usage, something Proton seems unlikely to achieve, at least when compared to US behemoths.

   Proton appears to have a large development backlog in its core security offerings, if the list in this Proton Voice website is to be believed. Some core deficiencies have remained unaddressed for years. I assume (but don't know) that Proton, as well as other secure communications companies, are trying to deal with a flood of customers fleeing US services or who are nervous about a deteriorating security environment. If so, the demand will only increase.

   Proton makes secure IT better than it makes AI chatbots. Proton's reputation is in secure IT. I assume that Proton sells more secure IT services that AI chatbots. I suggest that AI chatbots are a lower priority for new and existing Proton customers than secure IT. I submit that the world does not need - and Proton is unlikely to sell - more AI chatbots, but the world does need - and Proton can sell - better secure IT services.

   Of course, I have no idea how many people use Lumo or how valuable a business this is to Proton. I hope this suggestion may flush that knowledge out.

   Customers buy Proton services for its secure IT communications. That is - as far as I know - Proton's core business and its unique selling point.

   Many companies offer AI chatbots which - if they're ever useful at all (about which I have doubts) - improve through scale usage, something Proton seems unlikely to achieve, at least when compared to US behemoths.

   Proton appears to have a large development backlog in… more

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2. lumo extended files

   Subject: Lumo Feature Request: Support for .nix, .zip, and .tar.gz files 🚀Hi Proton Team! 💜First of all, thank you for building such amazing, privacy-focused tools. Lumo looks great and works incredibly well!I would love to share a small feature request that would highly benefit technical users like myself. It would be amazing if Lumo could natively view and handle the following formats:.nix configuration files.zip folders and archives.tar.gz archivesAdding support for these formats would make checking files much faster, eliminating the need to download or move them to external apps just to see what is inside.Thank you so much for your hard work and continuous improvements. Keep up the fantastic job!Best regards,c

   Subject: Lumo Feature Request: Support for .nix, .zip, and .tar.gz files 🚀Hi Proton Team! 💜First of all, thank you for building such amazing, privacy-focused tools. Lumo looks great and works incredibly well!I would love to share a small feature request that would highly benefit technical users like myself. It would be amazing if Lumo could natively view and handle the following formats:.nix configuration files.zip folders and archives.tar.gz archivesAdding support for these formats would make checking files much faster, eliminating the need to download or move them to external apps just to see what is inside.Thank you so much for your… more

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3. iOS app swipe side bar on left

   I’d like to be able to swipe the left sidebar with my finger in the iOS app both in and out.

   Right now you have to tap the sidebar toggle.

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4. Allow anonymous data sharing

   I know that Proton doesn't create/train its own AI model, but a good european alternative would be nice to see. As unpleasant as this might be, to create a good model, lots of data is needed. A great app is worth nothing without good models. The current market leader, openAI, uses user data to train their models and have a huge advantage.

   If my data is ever used for training, I want to give it to a company I trust (or think I can trust) to handle them carefully. And this is you. I would like to see the option to anonymously share the chats to help train/refine models. In the best case, only chats without inputs that would give away who asks would be used (this would need to be checked somehow).

   I know that this is probably an unpopular opinion, but we have to face the reality: If we want good open models, we need to provide our data.

   I know that Proton doesn't create/train its own AI model, but a good european alternative would be nice to see. As unpleasant as this might be, to create a good model, lots of data is needed. A great app is worth nothing without good models. The current market leader, openAI, uses user data to train their models and have a huge advantage.

   If my data is ever used for training, I want to give it to a company I trust (or think I can trust) to handle them carefully. And this is you. I would like to see the option… more

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5. To make Lumo more human

   Subject: Proposal: A "Dual-Loop" Architecture for Next-Gen LLMs Inspired by Neuro-Mechanical Models

   Dear Research and Engineering Team,

   I am writing to share a conceptual proposal for a new architectural approach to Large Language Models (LLMs), inspired by the neuro-mechanical theories of Lee Kent Hempfling (specifically the distinction between Short-Term and Long-Term memory loops).

   While current LLMs excel at pattern recognition and statistical prediction (effectively acting as massive Long-Term Memory systems), they lack a mechanism for inhibition, self-correction, and proactive intent. This proposal suggests a "Dual-Loop" architecture that could significantly reduce hallucinations, bias, and reactive behaviour.
   The Core Concept: Dual-Loop Architecture

   Current models rely on a single stream of attention mechanisms. I propose a system with two distinct, interacting loops:

   The Long-Term Loop (The Library):
       Function: Standard Transformer weights for retrieving facts, grammar, and historical patterns.
       Role: Fast, reactive, and high-volume data retrieval.
   The Short-Term Loop (The Operator):
       Function: A separate, high-speed module running in parallel.
       Role: Inhibition and Monitoring. Before the Long-Term loop commits to a token, the Short-Term loop evaluates:
           Is this consistent with the immediate context?
           Is this a hallucination or a bias?
           Does this align with the user's intent?
       Mechanism: If a conflict is detected, the Short-Term loop inhibits the output and triggers a re-evaluation cycle (simulating the human "brake" or "pause").
   

   Key Proposed Features

   Dynamic Inhibition Layers: Instead of just predicting the next token, the model actively suppresses low-probability or biased outputs that fail a "truth/intent" check.
   Frequency-Based Temporal Processing: Implementing a "Biological Clock" simulation where different parts of the network process information at different speeds (Fast for "Now"/Logic, Slow for Deep Memory), creating a simulated sense of time and continuity.
   Intent-Driven Generation: Shifting from "Pattern Completion" to "Goal Achievement," where the Short-Term loop sets a constraint/goal before the Long-Term loop retrieves data.
   Modality-Aware Routing: Detecting if a query requires visual simulation or logical deduction and routing processing accordingly, similar to how humans switch between visual and aural dominance.
   

   Potential Benefits

   Reduced Hallucinations: By inhibiting outputs that don't pass a consistency check.
   Lower Bias: Active suppression of training-data biases via the Short-Term "brake."
   Improved Alignment: Better adherence to user intent rather than just statistical likelihood.
   Organic Output: Moving away from rigid, "stiff" text generation toward fluid, "pro-active" responses.
   

   Next Steps

   I believe this approach moves beyond simple scaling (adding more parameters) to architectural innovation. It treats the LLM not just as a database, but as a system capable of self-regulation.

   I would be happy to provide further details, diagrams, or specific mathematical formulations for the "Inhibition Layer" if the team finds this direction promising.

   This Idea was created by Lumo with prompts from me. I thought it was good enough for others to have a better look and did'nt know who to send it to.

   Subject: Proposal: A "Dual-Loop" Architecture for Next-Gen LLMs Inspired by Neuro-Mechanical Models

   Dear Research and Engineering Team,

   I am writing to share a conceptual proposal for a new architectural approach to Large Language Models (LLMs), inspired by the neuro-mechanical theories of Lee Kent Hempfling (specifically the distinction between Short-Term and Long-Term memory loops).

   While current LLMs excel at pattern recognition and statistical prediction (effectively acting as massive Long-Term Memory systems), they lack a mechanism for inhibition, self-correction, and proactive intent. This proposal suggests a "Dual-Loop" architecture that could significantly reduce hallucinations, bias, and reactive behaviour.
   The Core Concept: Dual-Loop Architecture

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6. IOS/Android Widget

   I'd Love to have the Lumo cat with a textbox to ask questions on my homescreen.

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7. There should be a way to turn off the cat avatar

   I would love to use Lumo, but can not because of the annoying cat avatar. Lumo says it could be turned off, but gives misleading instructions how to do it. For example the Settings menus are very different what Lumo desribes and what I actually see.

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8. Create doc and spreadsheet directly from chat

   Add the ability to automatically open a chat window directly within a document and embed a table in Proton Sheets. This would streamline real‑time collaboration by allowing users to start a conversation or view a related spreadsheet without leaving the current file.

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9. Add support for de-googled devices

   Lumo is unsupported without Google Play Services. Can't start the application, blocked during boot.
   Using LineageOS. Should work without Google.

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10. Using better open-source/weight AI Models

    Hi everyone,

    I am writing this because I think Lumo has so much more potential. Imagine them using a 1 trillion parameter Chinese open-source/weight AI model like it would give them so much more flexibility in new features and accuracy of up-to-date data. They could even train an own AI model that they can then use like OpenAI uses ChatGPT as an multimodal AI model without having to rely on others creating open-source/weight AI models for them to use plus they could customize it perfectly for privacy, speed and accuracy. This own AI model could be based of some other open-source/weight AI model or could be designed specifically for Protons privacy focused servers. They could even integrate an own search engine into this customized model, enabling it to use auto websearch so you don’t have to actively turn it on in every new conversation and could be trained for not only text but also image generation and upload, video generation and upload, text to speech, speech to text and even a Live mode like Gemini, ChatGPT and Perplexity.

    Hi everyone,

    I am writing this because I think Lumo has so much more potential. Imagine them using a 1 trillion parameter Chinese open-source/weight AI model like it would give them so much more flexibility in new features and accuracy of up-to-date data. They could even train an own AI model that they can then use like OpenAI uses ChatGPT as an multimodal AI model without having to rely on others creating open-source/weight AI models for them to use plus they could customize it perfectly for privacy, speed and accuracy. This own AI model could be based of some other… more

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11. RAG my proton drive. Make Lumo be able to chat with me about my files.

    I bought into Lumo and upgraded my proton drive as I had the impression that I could query my files.
    In fact, I can only upload some of them. Well, some, in fact only 10Mb before it complains. Then if I leave the chat and come back, it seems to have forgotten I uploaded a file to chat with.

    Here is my use case which is currently available in CoPilot.
    1. Have an option for Lumo to chunk and ingest the files in my drive.
    2. Allow me to query them like a proper RAG system

    Thanks.

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12. Voice‑Assist Button: Instantly Read Lumo Replies Aloud

    Introduce a dedicated Voice‑Assist button within the Lumo chat interface that, when pressed, converts the textual response generated by Lumo into spoken audio in real time. The button should be prominently positioned alongside the existing input controls, enabling users to trigger text‑to‑speech playback with a single click (or tap on mobile devices).

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13. Use mouse scrollwheel to change month/day/week in the calendar

    I miss the ability that Google Calendar has in month view, to use the mouse scroll wheel to quickly move between months. It would be great if this feature, or something similar, was implemented in Proton Calendar.

    Along the same lines, a lot of modern mice have a tiltable scrollwheel, and that tilt can be used for horizontal scrolling, so why not make that move to the next day/week/month?

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14. make standalone app build of Lumo, currently not true privacy

    would be great to offer a standalone app version of Lumo, like the Proton Mail app or Proton VPN

    Right now, it's the only reason I wouldn't use Lumo. Since it runs only as a web app ALL keystrokes are able to be logged in browsers like Chrome, Brave, Firefox, Safari etc. what does privacy mean? If the browser you have to use to run Lumo, literally logs all keystrokes?

    A full app could offer so much better customization, or some local model possibilities and integrations like from another story. Right now, Lumo seems decent but I wouldn't use it when it's hosted in a browser still. Totally defeats having it Privacy as Default

    would be great to offer a standalone app version of Lumo, like the Proton Mail app or Proton VPN

    Right now, it's the only reason I wouldn't use Lumo. Since it runs only as a web app ALL keystrokes are able to be logged in browsers like Chrome, Brave, Firefox, Safari etc. what does privacy mean? If the browser you have to use to run Lumo, literally logs all keystrokes?

    A full app could offer so much better customization, or some local model possibilities and integrations like from another story. Right now, Lumo seems decent but I wouldn't use it… more

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15. Combine the lumo plan with mail and drive plan.

    Right now, I am paying for proton family, but the subscription does not carry over to Lumo. It wants me to pay for Lumo separately. Why doesn't proton combine them so that one subscription covers everything?

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16. Code blocks with syntax highlighting

    I think Lumo could benefit from code blocks (similar to what Claude has) that have syntax highlighting. Lumo already supports some Markdown syntax features, so it would make sense to add code blocks that are made up of the triple backticks with an optional language next to the starting backticks.

    I currently find it very hard to add code to Lumo when asking for information, debugging, or code edits.

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17. 6) Custom agentic AI creator.

    Custom AI agent creator: Create custom AIs that better reflect the user.

    Back to start post: https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932842-lumo/suggestions/50637308-1-lumo-live

    Exit to Lumo UserVoice: https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932842-lumo

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18. More General Transparency

    As privacy is a main concern for most of your users I wish for more transparency for everything Lumo.

    What models get used for the answer, what server did handle my input/output. For the server it would be good to know which location.

    If asked directly I need Lumo to be honest about its own architecture and what model is used.

    Also more openeness about decision making. Like honesty about what pieces of information came from training data and what came from a websearch. I had instances of specifics after Lumo did a websearch that were clearly not taken from any of the shown webresults and so must come from training data or hallucination.

    Also generally I would prefer fully open source models being used.

    As privacy is a main concern for most of your users I wish for more transparency for everything Lumo.

    What models get used for the answer, what server did handle my input/output. For the server it would be good to know which location.

    If asked directly I need Lumo to be honest about its own architecture and what model is used.

    Also more openeness about decision making. Like honesty about what pieces of information came from training data and what came from a websearch. I had instances of specifics after Lumo did a websearch that were clearly not taken from… more

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19. Make lumo fully open source

    I asked the cat if it's open source. It gave all the wrong answers.

    Either make Lumo fully open source very soon, or set a roadmap to achieve that and share it with everyone. Privacy is great, but Proton, without open sourcing everything you do, you are missing the point of what you represent. Do better.

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20. UI Element & Emoji Mode Settings Toggle

    Hello. This feature request is a personalization and/or customization option. I really think it’d be a neat addition. I will break it down simply to avoid wasting others time. This applies to the app, potentially the iOS 26 application, and is a simple switch in the settings.

    ✔️Toggle checkmark box for “enhanced emojis & UI effects.

    🟰Net result is an increased frequency of emojis and UI elements such as lists, tables with headers and bold fonts, increased emojis, increased syntax boxes, increased purple boxes with abstracts — all elements and and emojis are outputted at a higher rate than without toggling the mode on, which outputs the standard rate of emojis/artifacts.

    I will list this in my upcoming document to Proton Support mentioning a plethora of feature requests and I highly encourage anyone who wants to work together to advance Lumo to reach out to me.

    Hello. This feature request is a personalization and/or customization option. I really think it’d be a neat addition. I will break it down simply to avoid wasting others time. This applies to the app, potentially the iOS 26 application, and is a simple switch in the settings.

    ✔️Toggle checkmark box for “enhanced emojis & UI effects.

    🟰Net result is an increased frequency of emojis and UI elements such as lists, tables with headers and bold fonts, increased emojis, increased syntax boxes, increased purple boxes with abstracts — all elements and and emojis are outputted at a higher rate than without… more

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