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No, we don't need yet another chat and call network, yet another app to try and convince our friends and family to switch to.
Just use Signal.
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Ideally Proton would achieve this by integrating an EteSync server. EteSync provide a ready to use, open source, and well established solution for adding end-to-end encryption: Etebase (https://www.etebase.com/).
It already works with Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, macOS, Thunderbird, Evolution, Kontact, Tasks.org, and any other CalDAV/CardDAV client.
I've been using it for a number of years already, and it's never failed, not once. It's the only sync solution I've ever used that's not had problems with duplicates or missing data.
Being able to use this with ProtonMail would be perfect.
Rather than reinventing the wheel by developing their own implmentation, which would take a long time to develop and test, Proton should implement an already existing solution that's specifically designed to achieve EE2E synchronization of PIM data.
By opting for Etebase they'd achieving not only the contacts synchronization people are begging for, but also that of calendar entries and tasks with one single solution.
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Having commented on this in the past, I now believe that this would be a waste of Proton's resources.
This can already be achieved with the excellent EteSync, for both calendar, contacts and tasks.
I'd much rather see integration of ProtonMail contacts with EteSync. Why reinvent the wheel when a perfectly good and open source solution already exists?
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Until this feature is implement you may want to look at EteSync, a vendor neutral encrypted sync solution for contacts, calendar and tasks. While it doesn't solve the syncing of contacts between your phone and the ProtonMail address book, it does make it possible to ditch Google entirely while making your phone contacts available to the ProtonMail app.
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ProtonMail could follow in mailbox.org's footsteps and integrate an XMPP server, thus making one's ProtonMail address also one's XMPP address.
Rather than becoming yet another centralized chat server that only works for ProtonMail users, Proton could join an already established decentralized and federated network, instantly allowing ProtonMail users to connect with mailbox.org, Snikket, Quicksy, Hot-Chilli, and numerous other XMPP users all across the world.
Or they could partner with Snikket's XMPP hosting, like Cheogram has done.
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No, we don't need yet another chat and call network, yet another app to try and convince our friends and family to switch to.
Just use Signal.
It would be nice to use the email address itself for chat. Delta Chat already offers this over IMAP, but sadly this won't work with ProtonMail as IMAP is only available via the ProtonMail Bridge.
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@Andrea Moro A year late, but still beneficial to other users.
The ProtonMail Android app does not synchronize your contacts with your Android address book. It simply makes the contacts you have stored in ProtonMail's web client available inside the mobile client. In addition the ProtonMail mobile app can also access any contacts you have stored in the Android address book.
Anyone looking to move away from G Suite will need an alternative to synchronization of contacts, tasks, and calendar(s).
EteSync provides a solution for this. You carry on using the same address book and calendar apps you're already using with your Google account, be it the default Android apps, or 3rd party replacements you may have installed instead.
The thing that changes is the backend you synchronize that data with; instead of unencrypted synchronization with Google's server, you will now use end-to-end encrypted synchronization with EteSync's server. That data will no longer synchronize with your Google account, even if you use the Google provided addres book and calendar app, and Google will not have access to that data.
Tasks are an exception since there isn't a real standard for tasks, hence the proliferation of task apps on the Play Store. Some of them synchronize with Google, others with their own proprietary backend (Remember the Milk, for example), and some don't sync with anything. Using tasks with EteSync requires an app that has in-built support for EteSync. Currently there are only two that I know off: OpenTasks and Tasks.org, with the latter supporting a number of different backend for task synchronization such as Nextcloud, EteSync, and their own platform tasks.org.
Since it utilizes your normal addres app, your contacts will be accessible by other apps, like before, and this includes the ProtonMail mobile app. It still won't synchronize that data with your ProtonMail address book, however, but that is exactly what this suggestion is about: utilizing EteSync to synchronize your contacts, calendars, and tasks with your ProtonMail account.
EteSync is an open source platform that provides both a paid hosted and free self-hosted option.
If Proton added support for EteSync we would gain the same flexibility we've got with G Suite and Outlook: synchronization of our PIM data with ProtonMail, only this time end-to-end encrypted.
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@Guy, it would overcome the hurdle by synchronizing the contacts (and calendar) directly between ProtonMail's address book and your device's address book.
ProtonMail's current contact synchronization only syncs contacts between the web interface and the ProtonMail mobile app. This means that those contacts are not available to any other app on your device, and ProtonMail is not the only app that requires access to contacts.
Currently I have to maintain my ProtonMail contacts separately from my device contacts which I synchronize with Thundebird on my PC using EteSync.
This is a real pain, as on the extremely rare occasions where I use ProtonMail's web client it has happened to me that I didn't have a specific contact available (I didn't have my phone on me), so I had to log into EteSync's web client to retrieve the email address for my contact. Of course I can then save it in my ProtonMail Contacts, but that means if there ever is a change to that contact's details in my phone's address book it won't sync to ProtonMail Contacts; this means I have then have to remember to update that contact separately in ProtonMail Contacts.
I have very little use for web clients as I either use mobile apps or Thunderbird on my desktop. Even when I was on G Suite I hardly ever used their web interface. ProtonMail's contact "synchronization" therefore is useless to me. Using EteSync, however, perfectly suits my needs as it allows for end-to-end encrypted synchronization of my contacts (+ calendar and tasks) between my mobile devices and my desktop, and I can use those contacts in the ProtonMail app as it has access to my device's contacts.
ProtonMail's current contact synchronization is only useful to users who exclusively use webmail and the mobile app.
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Definitely in favour of this over ProtonMail's own implementation of contact (and future calendar) synchronization.
Not only would this solve the current issue of having to maintain two separate contact lists (one in the web interface, and on on mobile devices), it would also allow the synchronization with 3rd party software such as Thunderbird., without additional effort or resources on Proton's part.
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People really wanting this should remove their votes here and add them to https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/935538-other-payment-methods-products-etc/suggestions/32646004-protonmail-messaging-app instead, as that suggestion has already attracted 680 votes as of May 9, 2022.