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Basically a Google Pixel + GrapheneOS, but made by Proton

Would love that somewhere in the future. But I think right now Proton doesn't have the resources for that.

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Please do _not_ do this. Focus on your core products (email in particular), instead of trying to do everything!

I came to this page because I thought about "Proton Contacts" and "Proton Notes". But when I sync them to my Phone, it's mostly watched by GoogleServices. So, nice that nobody can access my data, but everyone.

ProtonMail is secure. I know it. But its not. Because ProtonMail is on my mobile phone. And GoogleServices is also on my phone.

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We need that!

I would buy and share it.

I think privacy oriented AOSP rom would be great. De-googled roms are great and all, but what I'd like to see is a ROM that actively denies access to data and information, or "poisons the well" by submitting random noise to any apps, including google. Whether we like it or not, most people still want access to google's app ecosystem, so having the comfort of android with much more aggressive privacy controls, tracking protection and robust encryption would imho work for many people.

Low-level system access would also allow for useful privacy features like ability to clone encrypted system image to a usb drive and replace the system on the phone with a dummy install son the go. Then easily restore the original system image later. Great for border checks etc.

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I think it's better to focus on laying the ground work for other projects. For instance, getting a collaboration with a Android distro team or simply forking a project.

The problem with this, though, is that making sure a distro is actually more secure is a lot of work. They also have to know that they can trust the dev team so that the end-product is something they can put the Proton name by.

Building an OS from the ground up, however, is a daunting task that is not realistic at this point. No matter how cool it could be.

Having said that, I'd rather have a better Android OS than something all new that would require every app maker to make a new version. It's just not feasable and it wouldn't do much for "privacy for the masses". They focus on making mainstream alternatives that happen to be secure and private. You don't need to start an OS development project (that will likely fail and be highly costly) to achieve this.

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Please don't waste resources on something that already exists elsewhere.

Too much work would be needed.
You can just use degoogled AOSP-based system (LineageOS or /e/ for example).

I think this is a very unrealistic and very time consuming request and that Proton shouldn't focus on creating such a complex application. There are already many different unpopular alternatives to Android and ios such as Pure os and Lineage os.

This is my 2 cents, I don't think I'm right or wrong. Just my opinion:
If Proton were to either take the AOSP and add proton features to it like their mail, calendar, drive, etc etc, add something like F-Droid for the app the store, or partner up with someone like LineageOS who'd do most of the heavy lifting on that side. Also I didn't know this, but based on the comment below, remove the Google Play Services reliance for notifications. This would be a monumental thing to do, and I do not expect them to do this as much as I can hope. But if they did, well i might have to find a phone that is easy to swap the OS out on just for this.

There are plenty of open source operating systems available. Therefore it's not a good idea for Proton to waste time writing another one.

ProtonMail is perpetuating the problem by using Google Play Services (GPS) for notifications. I've degoogled my phone by installing LineageOS without any gapps but ProtonMail requires GPS to push notifications.

I'm going to switch to Tutanota until Proton fix this reliance on Google Services.

A de-Googled version of Android (like /e/) would be an excellent starting point. A linux kernel, chopped and channelled and well armoured, at any rate, I think would fit well, not just in terms of proven performance, but also in shortened time to deploy.

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in my opinion it would be cool using an alternative OS (https://itsfoss.com/open-source-alternatives-android/) as a bare metal system while the rest is containerized. in this situation any app can be controlled by the user. for example: what is my app doing (traffic analysis), acces to GPS/microphone/cam can be controlled by the bare metal OS and so on...
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An entire operating system is probably difficult to implement because there are many devices, each with its own specific requirements. There are already privacy oriented mobile operating systems, but they are only available on a small number of devices and only a few people are using them. ios and android are (unfortunately) the most common mobile operating systems.

As an idea: Use a device that is as open source as possible.

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