Very disappointed this is a new issue. The actual idea was marked completed when it wasn't.

proton this is very disappointing.

i am sure there are reasons why you did not "solve" this issue the way the community was expecting you to, but you still have the opportunity to do the right thing, which has always been the core mission of proton.

after much research, i decided to migrate to the proton ecosystem just a few days ago. i paid for a multi-year plan, set up the apps, and then ran into a massively frustrating wall that had me scouring the internet, reddit, etc. for hours until landing on this forum where i found thousands of people upset over the same exact thing:

how do i log in to proton if my proton credentials are stored... in proton???

please consider how ridiculous that question is... but that is our reality if using the proton ecosystem.

some password managers are better than others in terms of quality (security), but in essence they all work the same tried and true way:

the user memorizes ONE very long and complicated master password that is not digitally stored or written down ANYWHERE. there is the risk of forgetting it, which is the user's fault, but otherwise there is literally nothing more secure than this. then, by entering this password from memory, in addition to 2FA, one is able to access all his/her passwords in a vault and use autofill to deploy dozens of safely stored, extremely long and secure, impossible to remember passwords for any all all websites a user frequents.

the way things are set up in proton now, this is not possible and it is very inconvenient. despite paying for proton services i still have to use other products given this flaw in proton pass. similar to user Maarten's comment i still have to use bitwarden to store my proton credentials to make all of this work properly. i must log in to bitwarden with my memorized master password and 2FA, then go to the proton log in page, autofill with bitwarden, then get access to proton pass and my vault.

technically speaking, this works on my laptop because my browser supports multiple password manager extensions - proton pass and bitwarden. however, this DOES NOT work on my iphone because iOS only allows ONE password manager to be active. this means i have to go into settings on my iphone, choose bitwarden as my default password manager, go back to bitwarden and log in with my master password, then go to the proton app, autofill using bitwarden, then go back to settings, change my default password manager from bitwarden to proton pass, then use proton pass to autofill sites that i visit on my phone.

this is beyond inconvenient.

you could tell me, just make your proton ecosystem password your master password, but this has issues as well. if someone has multiple proton accounts, as many do, then i would have to use the same master password for all proton accounts (not safe) or have several master passwords, one for each proton account (not at all easy to remember).

i appreciate the "extra password" solution you just provided, but it's a reverse solution that is not ideal nor optimal. you put the cart before the horse instead of the horse before the cart.

at the end of the day we all support proton's mission and all want to use your services. we believe in what you're doing and that's why we are here. for us to use proton pass EXCLUSIVELY which i imagine is what you want, then we need to store all of our credentials inside proton pass (and not be using other password managers in tandem). this makes proton pass a UNIQUE entity (like all password managers) in that they need to be set up differently than other apps. they need a special master password that is different than the password to other proton apps (mail, vpn, calendar, drive).

again, i cannot log in to proton mail if my proton mail credentials are stored in proton pass, because proton mail and proton pass are using the same credentials. this is silly. give proton pass it's own master password and the other apps (mail, calendar, vpn, and drive) can keep their shared credentials. this will allow me to open my proton pass vault on my own, then use proton pass exclusively to access not only the other proton services but also all the services that i use.

please make this right. thank you.

I think the other comments make it clear what functionality we're looking for. A single password that can be memorised to access our Proton Pass passwords. Ideally we would use Proton Pass to login to our Proton services, such as Proton Mail.

After updating my MacOS version just now, I had to go through the following steps to access my passwords in Proton Pass:

1. Open Proton Pass, which asks for my Proton Account username and password.
2. Open 1Password and look up Proton Account username and password.
3. Copy username from 1Password, paste in Proton Pass.
4. Copy password from 1Password, paste in Proton Pass.
5. Get presented with TOTP screen.
6. Open Authy to copy TOTP code, paste in Proton Pass.
7. Get presented with additional password screen.
8. Fill out additional password from memory.

I want to fully remove 1Password from my workflow, and be able to access my Proton Pass passwords using a single password that I have memorised. I will not be able to memorise both my Proton Account password and my Proton Pass password.

I don't mind logging in with my Proton Account credentials to install Proton Pass on a new system (Mobile/desktop app or browser extension). But once installed, I want to use Proton Pass to login to my Proton Account for mail, VPN, etc.

The feature that was just released is not useful at all. Like in all other password manager, we need an EXCLUSIVE password just for the password manager that is different from the proton account. Without this, one ends up needing another password manager just for proton accounts, which is absurd.

It's frustrating that we're voting on this issue again, especially since the previously implemented solution doesn't align with what we initially requested and voted for.

The primary advantage of a password manager is the need to remember only one complex, high-entropy password for future-proofing.

However, the current two-password system not only fails to enhance security but potentially compromises it by encouraging users to create two separate, likely weaker passwords.

Proton has consistently had a willingness to listen to user feedback and implement changes accordingly. It's so weird that this particular issue remains unresolved.
We should have:

A separate, single password for Proton Pass.

The option to disable TOTP in favor of using only security keys.

These basic features should have been addressed long ago and represent the minimum acceptable solution to this problem

Came here from https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/953584-proton-pass/suggestions/46727686-separate-password-for-proton-pass (with 2190 votes) which was marked as completed, while not yet implemented.

Although I am happy to see feature updates for Proton Pass, this is not the feature that was requested here. Therefore I think it is a stretch to mark this feature request as completed and force everyone to vote on a new feature request. Especially when it is the exact same request.

Transfer the votes! Don't try to fool us

As what has been implemented is NOT what has been asked at first, it is a bit of a shame to make us re-vote for the exact same feature !
Or at least transfert the 2000+ original votes !

This issue is keeping me from switching from Bitwarden. I already voted for this once before.

This was not the idea, they were supposed to be separate passwords not an additional one. I still have to use another password manager to log in to proton mail/pass.

Why force us to vote again?

I agree, that's not why I voted, an additional password of PM for pass is an option it can be interesting, but I was more for the idea of GSim, a different password, not in addition ... it sucks so ...

Really bad that they force us to "restart" the voting process on this feature, when it already had over 2000 votes previously! The old suggestion was NOT closed since it's not been delivered.

Shame

Very disappointed the Proton Devs didn't understand the original request. I thought Proton was quite knowledgeable when it comes to security and sure enough needing two passwords and a pin code to get to my passwords is more secure but it's also not very user friendly. That's why originally users suggested to be able to use a different password to login to proton pass, not an extra additional login layer.

The fact that proton didn’t implement an already asked for feature they said they were doing and made their own version of it without understanding the core requirement of the original request is very upsetting . This shouldn’t even need to be voted on this is a huge miss on proton pass team and doesn’t give me great faith to use proton pass(I consider each proton app separate as each has their own development team)
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The way you developed this feature is not what users asked for. This feature request is not closed
The way you implanted it is that we still login with our proton login, use our two factor, then use the extra password

The core requirement of this feature request to make proton useful for all users of this request is that proton pass has its own password that is independent from all other proton apps
Please reopen this feature request

If I could give this more than 3 votes I would!

For me this is something that's making me consider switching back to 1password or Bitwarden and is definitely something Pass needs sooner rather than later

This is the best option. That way, everything is separate. Something like a password manager should be as isolated from the main proton account as possible.