Make Lumo Grown Up
Lumo suffers from the same issue as other AI agents (possibly excepting Claude) in that it restricts answers and suggestions to those compatible with traditional ethics and morals. I write screenplays and bouncing ideas off AI is par for the course: when I talk about terrorism, explosions, suicide and so on with Claude it's happy to help; GPT gives me loads of warnings (ffs) but Lumo outright refuses to answer!
We are grown ups here; treat us as such.
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Feedbacker
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We are all here because we believe Proton is a serious company, which delivers adult solutions for real problems, not because we want to interact with a virtual kitty cat.
I fail to see the relevance or purpose of Lumo as it stands currently, in contrast to all other Proton products.
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Neko
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Same
And all they need to do is add freaking options.
Like allow explicit content.
Also for OP: sorry what you are doing will not happen because terrorist will also claim the same and in order to prevent this, Proton will need to stop being 100% Privacy. Sadly other AIs being able to help you is exactly because there is no 100% Privacy.
However, i strongly suggest you install a local AI (offline). Why? Without you knowing, the AIs are sending what you write to their own company to "verify" the "safety" of ALL the information you wrote.
Plus, i don't know if you have a busness account with those AI companies, but there is a good change you might wake up one day them claiming some major BS because your "ideeas" where generated by their AI, an they have the records to prove (more BS bla bla bla bla). Ideea is, if it's a busness account i guess it makes sense since i assume there are clear boundries?
Speaking of which, did you check with proton for a busness lumo account? since maybe they can give you an uncensored lumo? no clue.
Ideea that i wanted to say, even if proton wanted, due to "copyright" related ( B S ) reasons of "ownership of AI" and "permision to use" and MORE BS, Ai companies usually need people to use busness account (you used ai? well people who work on this ai want to get paid since you used their ai), AND regarding scenes, while i am also angry that Lumo can not have a conversation about it. A screenplays can be used by real terrorist to have an ai help to well, do the act... for real. And proton being 100% privacy can't monitor. And the other AI can exactly because they are not 100 Private.
Optional solution: install a local ai (especially sillytavern) and for anything that needs thinking, brainstoring, to use the ais from companies. Why? simple: screenplays =/= real life facts that need to be accurate. Meaning you don't need a "smart" AI to tell you about stuff that, if let's say a real terrorist, would need to know, since it's a screenplays. And for anything that needs clarification, well lumo helps if you want privacy, and if it's something that lumo does not want, well sadly, non privacy ais are non private exactly to be able to track if someone might become one. After all, if you looked at how much profit big companies, as in the top top top shareholder or whatever those owners are called, you would notice that after covid a lot of profit. then war, more profit. another war? more profit. As in, those people don't even monitor if someone is a terorist, they monitor them to ensure they know when to sell their stock (for profit) of which company (aka the targed of the terrorism attack), so after the incident happens, the company stock drop, so now they can rebuy the stock, cheaply, no lose, massive profit, and just wait until the value of 1 stock goes back where it was, but, due to how FREE MONEY work, those people, will how have more then every stocks, since they brought mutiple cheaply. And this is sadly why privacy is being brough from everywhere, because such people want to make sure they know when to sell, and when to buy, to make FREE MONEY. Aka Monopoly in real like, for selected few, and their profit, everyone pays for it.
So i hope after reading this, you fully undersand why I keep saying that due to BS reasons, you might (hopefully not, hopefully never) wake up with nasty "claims" (and also why, sadly, a busness account is better since you can draw such boundrys, again, check with proton since lumo for busness might be perfect for you)
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Kaye
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While I appreciate the protections Lumo offers by not tracking interactions and fully understand that is why Lumo refuses to answer unethical questions, I would rather sign a consent form allowing Proton to disclose every unethical question I have ever asked Lumo to my country's police force without notifying me first, than trust that data to another company's AI. My personal idea for an AI that answers unethical questions is at the bottom...
This is a tough topic to support, but real life isn't all rainbows and butterflys, and for writers to create works that are not harmful that include the realities in life, it's important to have a source of information where these gray areas can be explored safely. It's like the American TV series Breaking Bad, they didn't give the formula away on how to make that drug, but they had enough information in the show in order to make it believable, and that's the goal of ethical writers who venture into darker themes, to make it feel realistic enough to keep the immersion going, but not so real it causes harm.
This is a really challenging skill to develop as a person due to subjective perspectives, and I would really enjoy an AI I can safely expore the gray areas with and prevent detrimental mistakes in my writing when dealing with these sensitive topics.
As someone else has mentioned and I fully agree with, our society has pushed normalization on unethical topics too far, which other AI are all too happy to oblige in persisting, so I personally feel that having an AI that answers unethical questions in a helpful yet cautionary way that explains the moral dilemmas involved, while offering suggestions to make content less harmful without robbing it of all realism would be invaluable in the creative world.
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Zac0511 commented
It would be nice to get Lumo uncensored, but maybe make the Uncensored mode be a setting thats disabled by default
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Guillermo
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This is very important
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Anonymous
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Wild to develop art by talking to autocomplete when there are humans around to talk to.
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Mr. Man commented
A lot of the problems we’re seeing today don’t come out of nowhere. When movies and shows constantly treat things like immodesty, hopelessness, or self‑destructive behavior as normal or entertaining, it affects people more than we admit. What we watch, shapes what we think is acceptable. So when an AI refuses to help create content centered on violence or suicide, that’s not a flaw — it’s recognizing that these themes have real impact on real people
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Zeno
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Of course they had to do that, the "AI" isn't smart enough to self-regulate, let alone hold coherent ethical doctrines amenable to customers, so rubber bands had to be put in to keep another Grok (spouting Holocaust denial or false medical advice). Frankly AI ethicists and safety engineers need like a year at least to catch up before any new models are shovelled onto us by our Big Tech overlords. Can't we have to cool parts of sci-fi instead of just the dystopia?
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anonymous
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Yeah i just end up using chatgpt for non-personal stuff or duckduckgo's ai lumo is too dumb or too childish and when i ask it anything about apks and not using google play and such it locks down and i need to start a new chat which is very annoying
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Zoe Parker
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Giving Lumo a more grown-up, professional look could help it feel less childish and more trustworthy. Also, having modular features so users can choose which advanced tools they want might make it more appealing to power users.
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Eliza
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I've had the same problem, I usually end up using duckduckgo's AI thingy
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Privacy101 commented
Would prefer if there was a "filter content" setting so everyone wins.
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Hunting.Targ
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There is another venture that is working on that issue, but I'm hoping they might consider a merger or buyout, since they're both working toward the same goal: Privacy.