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Simplex has it down... but compititions important... and its kinda needed for Meet and Mail and the whole buisiness suit...

Partner with SimpleX, they are scaling up this year.

I agree, improving the existing Proton apps first would probably be more useful than adding another messenger. Signal and SimpleX already cover this pretty well.

We're already struggling getting normies to use Signal, immagine then asking them to move to Proton Chats or something like that. Unnecessary request when they have already so many other things to improve like Proton Docs, Linux support, polished apps for Linux, de-googled phone push notification support... Don't ask to add anything that is not really important just because "it would be cool to have".

it would be great but we are already engaged with other systems so immensely and so complexly that I don't understand how will we bypass them and move here.
Surely that would take serious amount of time.

I will say why they should NOT make a signal app, and that is because there are already VERY good alternatives, Signal alone is very great, there's also SimpleX (No phone number required), Matrix, and for the hardcores you can use Briar or Cwtch.... Seriously, Proton should focus on improving it's services rather than keep expanding.

YES, why NOT?? IT IS A MISSING (CENTRAL) PIECE ...and don't say "it is already plenty of them outhere" ...as it can be an argument against other Proton apps

for internal use in Workspace very important. Maybe you can add an integration into Signal Messenger and Matrix so the Client supports more Protocols.

Voting Against also. Core apps need to be more complete and deserve more love. Having a full mail / calendar /task suited for professional use with current standard would be way more better than having another app to maintain.
You would have to invest *A LOT* to try to do better than Signal.

Also voting against this. Same reason as Amber. Existing apps need more love. We don't need more apps and we certainly don't need more AI. Self-hosting is the AI privacy and security solution.

Voting against this.

Proton is spreading itself too thin. AI (Lumo) is a money pit. Meet as well, but less.

Proton is not a VC backed company, they need to spend resources on the core products instead of creating new products that really are not needed.

Signal is great, battle-tested and there are alternatives. SimpleX Chat. Session. etc.

I would love to see a Proton Messenging app that can also connect to WhatsApp via the ThirdPartyApp-Link

Because Signal already exists and is fantastic.

This would be great. It would get us closer to feature parity with the Apple ecosystem.

That messenger already exists. It is called Session. It does not require an email to get in, it is based in Switzerland so that would settle that particular concern. It can be used either with an app or in a browser. It is very easy to use, and right now they're in a position where someone with rather deep pockets (that would be you, Proton) could bring it into a proton family or at least give it the type of financial and engineering boost to help it grow. With many of the flaws in Signal already well publicized, developing Session into a worthy alternative with not only benefit Session, but Proton as well.

In my country everyone uses WhatsApp, EVERYONE and for EVERYTHING. If proton could somehow create some kind of solution for this issue, that would be awesome. If not than I really don't see the point in recreating signal.

Signal is a US company and the US is not a country that can be relied on not to require backdoors to encryption at some point. We need a solid European alternative in a country that solidly values privacy with laws to protect it.