I agree that Proton Unlimited should include a secure/private messenger like Signal and Threema.

I think this is a cool idea, though instead of a messenger app, I think something more like a Slack/discord app would be better. I thought you could call it Proton Ping, its fun with that alliteration name, and works well colloquially, "Hey just Ping me later", you get to play right into a classic comms phrase.

If they went with that approach instead, they could also save a bit of design work by using the Matrix protocol, create their own server, and then they can let users select which of their proton emails to use as their matrix id (recommend they don't auto assign it to be the account name, but give Proton users the opportunity to select their name)

Also, as I understand it, this would be a good play into the business space so it would act as a Slack like competitor, and for personal use it could act as a way to chat with friends and family. The Matrix protocol supports video as well but I know they are already working on Proton Meet, so highly doubt that would be an easy drop in (unless they ignored that part of the protocol in favor of their Proton Meet)

Finally, it would show a continued commitment to secure comms, as well as the ability to allow their users to securely communicate with users from other matrix servers. idk I think something like that would be pretty ****

Plus Matrix protocol already supports all kinds of integrations, I had a co-worker who had setup all his comms, emails sms, rcs, etc. (he even got ios messaging to come through for a time, he used Beeper, which is a matrix server that heavily leverages the matrix protocol's integrations feature.

So Proton adopting that protocol could also provide their users with a centralized comms hub, and implement integrations for their other apps, e.g. cal, drive, Lumo, etc.

Before we ecnourage them to create new apps that are not really necessary, Let's them concentrate on fixing the already existing apps. Calendar and Drive are missing so many basic features.

that is not needed. Proton could probably not create something better nor somthing comparable to Signal.
please improve already existing apps instead.

Perhaps a collaboration with Threema and Punkt Tronics AG could be considered???

"Proton Chat" sounds appealing on paper, but I think it misses how messenger apps actually succeed. Strong encryption isn't really a selling point anymore. It's just expected. And Signal already nails security better than anyone, so that bar is pretty high.

What actually matters is whether your friends are on it, and whether it does everything you need. The market's already crowded with Telegram, Signal, Threema, and WhatsApp, all with huge user bases that took years to build. Proton would have a hard time getting enough people on board, and you'd end up with a technically solid app that nobody you know actually uses.

I would say this is critical and desperately needed.

Signal is not the same messaging service that it was a few years ago.

The chairman of the Signal Foundation's board is Katherine Maher who is also the CEO of NPR and also formerly the CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation (Wikipedia) is on the record saying some very troubling things about it being okay to lie for the greater good of society so long as the beneficial story is the one that is told. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980389747584618648?s=20

I have lost confidence in Signal. A private messaging app with Proton-grade encryption, security, and privacy would be amazing and is needed to fill the gap that Signal has opened.

Proton cannot make something better than Signal for all platforms right now. They should study though.

There's well over 45k requests for user data in which they've responded to with some form of data since last year. Two arrests attributed directly to Proton public, probably numerous other Email relays via SimpleLogin do not have your primary email encrypted. They ignore numerous security and privacy complaints from 3rd party researchers, but thank god it seems like they MAY be beginning to listen to us.

Privacy feels like less of a forefront compared to profit, weird swiss rulings and properly building zero knowledge systems. They try to build what is "easy to use" and marketable, and allow activists to trust them to get arrested.

Why we can send email from proton to gmail but cannot send message from whatsapp to signal?
I think Proton could come with federated, decentralized communication solution, which use Signal protocol and allows users to comunicate from Singal to Proton, from Proton to Telegram, iMessage or any other messangers.

The idea of a Proton messaging app is appealing—combining end-to-end encryption with SMS/RCS support and integration with Proton’s ecosystem could create a unified, privacy-focused communication platform. It could leverage Proton’s reputation for security while giving users a convenient way to message contacts who aren’t on encrypted networks.

However, building such an app is challenging. Signal already provides trusted, robust encrypted messaging, so a new app risks redundancy. Adoption is crucial—messaging apps only work if your contacts use them. Supporting multiple platforms, bridging to SMS/RCS, and potentially federated protocols adds technical complexity and privacy trade-offs. Maintaining this long-term would require significant resources.

For a Proton Messenger to succeed, it would need strong encryption, user-friendly features, seamless compatibility, and a clear advantage over existing solutions. Otherwise, it risks being “just another messenger” with limited adoption.

In short, it’s a promising idea that fits Proton’s privacy ethos, but executing it well would be difficult.
https://medium.com/@albertmofficial/smart-home-revolution-blending-technology-with-timeless-design-02f10047df4c

SimpleX did it already.

I think it would make sense. Just partner with Threema ;)

Proton should be email only IMO. Living in ecosystems is a trap. Decentralize as much as possible. Never put your eggs in one basket.

it's not about the app, it's about how many people use it. Signal is OK but I have 3 friends using it, so it's near pointless

I think many people want an alternative to whatsapp and there is not a canonical alternative (telegram maybe used to be but not anymore)

As a daily signal user, I'm not sure signal can really be improved on.

Just use Signal

Lol not important. Im not breaking the law where I need a super private chat app... waste of resources.

I agree with VIF that Proton already offers a wide range of products. However, as a privacy suite aimed at replacing the Apple and Google ecosystems, realistically this is the one thing that they do not have in this space. Im sure it is no small undertaking and would take up resources that could be used elsewhere, but as im sure those of you who have used signal know it is a great communication platform, you also know that it is almost impossible to get people who don't care about privacy and security to switch to it. What I would love to see from Proton is an app that mirrors the functionality of Signal, possibly utilizing the Signal protocol or even the Matrix protocol, but to also support SMS and eventually(if they manage to get a webhook designed to privately use it) RCS. Im sure this would take a lot of work on their end but it would at that point be the go to app for people wanting a full featured privacy messaging app, one that supports their own protocol implementation, allow users to securely communicate securely with RCS and still support everyone that is still hanging on to SMS that they would not even really have to advertise all that much because you know every tech persona would cover all over social media. This would be a Unicorn but if they were to do it they would be the only one and it would be the One stop app for every form of communication giving even more incentive to use their services. Being on Graphene OS this is something I am constantly having to juggle so this would be amazing to see.

... Proton Loom

There is the "matrix protocol", which is open source, allows end-to-end encryption and can be cross-platform in some context