What bothers you about signal? What do you actually need?

The main thing that makes signal less usable is that your most important contacts don't have it. I had the same issue, but over months, one by one painstakingly i convinced all my important contacts to download signal that didn't have it, and just last week for the first time signal felt like a real messenger. And you know what? it wasn't because of a new feature or redesign, it was the fact that every time i checked, 2 new messages where there and i actually had something to do inside the app

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I forgot to mention something: If Proton would make a messenger too, it would make the space even more fragmented, meaning even less contacts you can talk to

Migrated from Google Workspace to Proton Family Plan and just realized this missing components. Also Tasks list.

I mean, the obvious question here is "how could it be made better?" There are plenty of other things, even entire forks and services that provide phoneless signup, if that's an issue. As for integration, I still disagree. While they claim to champion privacy and security, and to be "an alternative to Big Tech", their entire rebuttal for the recent scandal implicating them as a potential honeypot is "nuh-uh, we don't share or harvest data", followed by the sudden ability and cash flow to establish multiple other services and systems after it died down. I've been too far invested to quit, and even as potential spies, it potentially is at least slightly better than having just another Microsoft or Google account.

Point is, while the utility would be nice, the sheer investment, effort, and potential avenues for abuse would be too great. They likely wouldn't consider it without some kind of <probably compromising> partnership.

I disagree with this. Signal already does a good job. If we ask Proton to replace every single other app we use, all our eggs are in one basket again and we are back where we started.

Need a trusted service to provide this kind of encrypted messaging.

any ETA on this matter ?

Signal integration into proton workspace :-) would love it

With the government shutting down messaging services, russians need a good alternative.

Its too hard to move people from WhatsApp

Like many before me, I would love a messenger integration. But why not just cooperate with Signal?

From a naive outside view, that looks like a win-win: Proton wins because Signal already has a solid user base (we all know the issue of network effects: the switching costs are large for messaging apps), and Signal wins as it gets a privacy-first platform integration.

What if Proton buys Signal, its Intellectual Property (patents, protocols, etc), and its users? With this way Proton could introduce its products to the Signal users and grow its customer base.

What's wrong with Signal?

Telegram – Better for large groups, channels, bots, and cloud sync (but not end-to-end encrypted by default). WhatsApp – Wider adoption and smoother mainstream experience, though owned by Meta. Session – Privacy-focused like Signal, but doesn’t require a phone number. Threema – Strong privacy and no phone number required, but paid.

I´d go even further. I see a need for ONE secure messaging service that can rule them all - Connect messenger, whatsapp, sms etc. into one app... Yes, I know its kind of wishful thinking, but if Proton did it, I´d sign up! SO tired of all these apps I need to communicate daily with everyone. I know there are apps claiming to do this already, but I can´t say I´m comfortable trusting them.

Something that businesses could use would be very good. Both for voice and text, 1:1 and for Teams. Then you fill another hole in the business suite.

Agreed - and without requiring a phone number to signup/login!

That's the #1 glaring privacy issue with Signal, yet most miss this and just sign up blindly.

If Proton could create such an app that doesn't require:

a paid sub;
a phone number (unless volunteered);

and can:

signup/login with an email address (even an alias);
have the ability to add groups;
offer true end-to-end encryption;
offer an easy to use, cross-platform app (Linux, Windows, iOS, Android, etc...);

it would generate an immense amount of interest that users would walk away from the existing, sad incumbents in a heartbeat.

Gold standard must be a a really low bar if Signal meets it, wouldn't be difficult for Proton (and the cash behind it) to surpass Signal in huge steps and bounds!

Session is the only one I've seen lately that would get close to true privacy, but alas, it's still got a long way to go before it's mature enough for a mass market.

I don't see the point of this. Signal is the closest thing to the "best encrypted messaging app". It encrypts all content and metadata, doesn't collect or attempt to collect data that identifies users, and is generally considered the gold standard in cyber security and cryptography circles. Proton would just use the Signal Protocol for their app anyway because it is the gold standard.

Matrix is probably what you looking for. However could Proton built a Matrix based messenger that integrates to Proton Products ( like Proton drive and a fictional Proton docs (a Google docs / microsoft 365 alternative) somehow as an alternative to teams . Mainly for business use and collaborate tool but also as an messenger / Wapp alternative ?

it's impossible to be better than Telegram. And it costs a lot of money.

I think there is no need to duplicate Threema.