@C: "Signal uses Google play services to communicate"

Signal doesn't need Google Play Services at all. If you run it on a Google-free system like LineageOS (without GApps, microG), Signal simply opens a background connection to its servers, and still gets call notifications and messages in a timely manner.

From a usability point of view, Signal is perfectly fine without Google Play Services.

> Please make it interoperable with Signal Private Messenger, at launch.

That's never going to happen because Signal is a centralized service (not federated) and they do not allow third parties to use their server. Additionally it's bound to a phone number.

If anything was to be chosen it would be Matrix, as it's been audited by NCC and DINSIC. It would be great to be interoperable with librem phones, you know as e-mail is.

I think XMPP is a bit too fragmented (too many XEPs and too many clients that support a different variety).

Proton also does not have a "device" so it does make sense. I'm glad they didn't do a Tutanota when it came to encryption. Tutanota really should have tried to ratify their standard with the IETF before making a 'home made' substitute to PGP.

I wish PM had a live-chat portal that works PM user to PM user that could be set to anonymous so both message recipients are by default completely anonymous (unless they should choose to reveal their identities somehow in the chat text) and that is super basic: the ability to send encrypted, anonymous messages in a totally message data secured environment.

Its 2019 half way across.

No, we don't need yet another chat and call network, yet another app to try and convince our friends and family to switch to.

Just use Signal.

It would be nice to use the email address itself for chat. Delta Chat already offers this over IMAP, but sadly this won't work with ProtonMail as IMAP is only available via the ProtonMail Bridge.

Is it possible to do this using emails as basis for the chats? so you would use yourname@protonmail.com and yourname@chatprotonmail.com, and all messages send/received from the latter are processed by ProtonChat.

Fontend something similar to what modern chat aplliacation can provide, but behind it you would exchange just email messages. Like a user from Gmail can send you a normal email to the Protonmail and then the ProtonChat app would display email as a chat message. And if the ProtonChat user would send a message to somone with user@gmail.com, and the gmail doesnt have this app, then he/she would read it as a normal email, could reply to it and again ProtonChat would see that as reply maessage. Offcourse this way sending files, pictures and videos is also posssible. If I may here is a solution in progress, chat with emails https://delta.chat/en/help

Why not develop your own SMS messaging system that's an end to end encrypted and be used across both Android and iOS users, as well as having the ability to be used on WearOS and Apple Watches with integration for tablets and desktops. It can be linked to their own mail addresses as well. Like one big bundle and charge whatever per month. Can even implement "self-destruction" messages or timers when a message is opened. All people want is a clean UI with that kind of privacy. Add a nice looking keyboard to it and an option to send a message encrypted and the receiver could decrypt it as long as they're using the same application.

It could be server based and used as long as the user links their mobile number to it (or it could just be a user database) Can also implement Voice activation for video and calls. Can be used over the internet or mobile signal. Could develop a desktop application on top of an already website-based system. Everybody is worried about privacy today so why not use this time to calm people down with something like this idea with an already built up safe, no worry environment...and make it an open source project so people can add different features, styles, extensions, etc.

/feel like I'm typing too much so gonna stop now 😂

Keybase ?

I want to see in the future an instant messenger from protonmail. When can I wait for him? I am ready to pay.

Encrypted messengers already exist like ******* exist. I think if proton were to create a messenger it should be only for those who currently have Proton accounts registered therefore ensuring the transmissions are encrypted either side. That is the only way it would compete with other messenger services by providing them something new, established and reliable. This will also help the Proton community to grow in order to use it you need to sign up with Proton to communicate with other members.

Definitely No. There are too many great apps out there and protonmail would have to be compliant with at least some of them. I do not expect many of my friends installing another im app

Yep, u are right.

Signal uses Google play services to communicate and needs access to your body sensors to do so. Please make a messaging app that doesn't need all of that information and allows me to click a contact and go straight to messaging them.

secure, private instant messenger/photo and file transfer app (phone-desktop crossover

Please don't re-invent the wheel. Signal is an excellent secure messaging app: https://www.signal.org

This would be a waste of Proton's resources.

I would totally use it

There is no need for proton to get involved in a messaging app.
Signal on mobile.
XMPP and OTR on desktop.
https://www.calyxinstitute.org/projects/public_jabber_xmpp_server

Hey, when you start build this messenger?

No.

The last thing we need is another messaging app crowding the field. People should be adopting other alternatives like Signal, or other Signal Protocol clients. Getting users off of FB Messenger, SMS, iMessage is hard enough - let alone a dozen competing standards