I would like to be able to disable /all/ AI features everywhere, including in Gmail. Can Protonmail have a button that disables the AI features in my Gmail too? Voting "critical."

I'm seconding what Oli said below.

Running out of storage and being harassed to pay or lose access to my email was the first nail in the Google coffin for me. Funny enough, when I took my photos down, ran them through a program to strip out motion, they dropped from 11 GB to 3 so I was actually no where near the storage limit! That said, I had already made the decision to look for email/calendar/storage elsewhere.

In the months that it took me to change so many accounts to a new email address, Gemini went from a pet project to infiltrating every single google application. Messages is a disaster, if I log out (which is technically allowed) I get pestered to log in. If I'm logged in there's a Gemini button directly above the compose button even with Gemini disabled on my phone. They've also replaced the "home" button in maps with a Gemini button screwing up 15+ years of muscle memory on the daily commute.

It was this aggressive push to use Gemini that made me leap from "I want to supplement gmail for important accounts because I'm unwilling to pay an ad company money" to "I'm going to figure out how to root my phone and tablet." Next it was CoPilot that pushed me to finally install Linux.

And while I appreciate that Scribe and Lumo process on device or whatever "doesn't phone home" language Proton is using, my biggest concern is, how were they built in the first place?

Even if you quarantine an LLM and further train it with only your data, by using its base you're still contributing to the massive theft of intellectual property, and invasion of privacy from whatever emails providers, or less than secure business, educational, healthcare systems. Just because my Social Security Number, DOB, credit report, medical history, papers I wrote but did not publish in college and thus should have remained in internal databases, are all available online now due to various data breaches does not make that information public. Just because I wrote a story and posted it on Tumblr and it was later archived by the waybackmachine does not mean I waived copyright. (As for Facebook/Insta, according to Meta's terms and conditions, users assign copyright to Meta for anything they post. I'm not sure how Meta thinks that works when people routinely post stories they didn't write and pictures that someone else took but those are lawsuits for a future day.)

That's not even getting into the skill degradation concerns from using LLMs to think for us.

I do not use LLMs at all and do not want them ingesting my data. Having a toggle to remove any chance of that happening seems like a good idea.

Am i living in a paralel world? The only ai feature in the whole proton ecosystem is Lumo. I havent had a single "summarize email" or "ai create calendar event" or anything similar in Proton.
Can anyone point me out this ai features inside any proton service that is not Lumo?

Agree completely. A ton of people want to move away from Google right now because of AI inundation, not necessarily privacy. This would be helpful when I'm pitching proton to them.

Agree, please remove AI assistant

Absolutely agree! I am especially not going to pay for a plan that includes AI agents

I was also just about to move off Google to Proton to get away from AI, and not have to constantly be vigilant about it. Now I don't know. Make AI features opt-in. Or yeah, make an account-wide opt-out option.

Adding my voice to this. I just joined Proton because of Google infecting everything it does with AI. To find it here is disappointing. To not have a way to disable all those features even more so. To be clear: you are getting my money because of my rejection of AI features enshittifying everything.

I would rather see Proton take a "no AI" approach across the board, but at LEAST provide an option to permanently hide those features.

> If you don't like them, just don't use them!

Generally, that's not the case with AI. The requirement to suck up data for training sets is overwhelming, and shown by many examples over the last couple of years.

Unless Proton controls the ENTIRE AI pipeline, there's no reason to trust it, and maybe not even then.

MODERATORS: "Three year olds can understand this" is obviously abusive. Do you support this?

100%! Less ai.

That would be fantastic! I do need efficient, private, secure and reliable productivity services. I do not want or need LLMs from Proton and the Scribe buttons in Mail are taking up valuable space.

A simple one opt-out toggle would be a great user experience (or even better: opt-in ;) ) to get rid off any LLM stuff from my account.

I just now opened a paid proton account specifically to escape from AI. That includes not having stupid sparkly magic wand logos everywhere and unwanted “click me for amazing AI!” buttons. I’m immediately cancelling because of this. I’m so disappointed. Thanks, proton, for wasting my time.

Regarding privacy:

The two are contradictory. You should assume that ANY interaction you have with an AI is captured and fed into its training set.

This. And you better not raise prices to cover the cost of this junk.

People at Proton, why on earth would you even consider using "AI" for anything? What's wrong with you? And why are your prices in... USian dollars? Aren't you supposed to be based in Switzerland? How did either of those ideas ever pop into someone's mind?

I agree, this is a very important issue. Personally, even after trying out Lumo, I was so incredibly unimpressed that I just quit using it. Projects, management, deduction, even enhanced searching and summarizing; it failed every single test. This is not a surprise, however, as legitimate AI has not been publicly created yet, but it's still a nail in the coffin for what is effectively a data siphon.

Around the world government & big-tech are doing a lot of privacy invasion. From the UK scanning your face to visit websites, to Google finger-printing your browser regardless of being logged in.
People are turning to privacy tools hard-core, & A.I. is the big reg-flag at the centre of this.

When using a VPN with privacy tools like Proton, I definitely want to feel like I am being protected & having AI, even if my understanding of how its used is wrong, is a worry.

I am fully onboard with team no-AI, but one thing to keep in mind is that "AI" is a marketing term for a ****** agglomeration of LLMs, image and sound generators, and so forth. Ironically video games badly need to catch up on actual AI but are just making slop games.

With the advent of Synthetic Stupidity, greedy corporations no longer have to even design or produce anything, they just "borrow" it from the recesses of the Internet and then profit! Gatekeeping stolen resources and selling em back to us, truly peak capitalism

Many of us chose Proton *because* of the perceived privacy benefits. Inclusion of AI destroys that goal and trust with the users.