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I really am appalled by the amount of whining, ******** and moaning in this thread. Dammit, the Proton Drive web app is perfectly usable and works well, regardless of OS, device, or browser.
If you're really so desperate for a desktop version, then put your money where your big complaining, clamoring mouth is and buy a full Proton Unlimited subscription to help Proton realize more revenue and thereby funding for, among other things, larger/more developer teams.
Understand that at present there are still a plethora of issues in existing apps - particularly Pass, and Drive desktop Windows - that will need addressing and indeed should be addressed before even a single further app - or app version for Linux - should be seriously thought about. S**t, Proton is no Ms/Apple/Google, not even a small Canonical, and the last I've seen Proton had a grand total of ~500 employees! Congratulate them for getting all the current apps off the ground in such a relatively short time!
As a predominantly Linux user, I really don't see why a desktop Drive app would be so important or urgent. And I would certainly not like to see some kind of port of the present Windows app, which is anything but private and secure, at any point. Let Proton get that one (and presumably the macOS one) right first before tackling the many challenges a Linux version will pose.
7,000+ votes for a Linux version is shocking! As I said, put your money where your mouth is. Raise funds for Proton and buy say an average subscription of $100 each. This would raise about $700K - but bear in mind that there are considerable costs also in terms of overheads, such as the constant need to expand and upgrade hardware, pay salaries, data centre bills, and more besides, so that that $700K would not be available solely for expanding developer teams.
So hey, show some decent patience people, and let Proton get on with the real priorities.
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@Carlo Supina - There is no problem accessing the web app of Proton Drive under Linux, working fine here even if it could do with one or two improvements. If privacy and security are what is important to you, you certainly would not want a Linux desktop app that's anything like the current Windows Drive one. In its current implementation Drive desktop sadly should be a definite 'thumbs down' for a privacy (and security) focused ecosystem.
@Proton - I know you can do much, much better - just take your time and get it right.
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@Hekel - Having sometimes to run Windows, I gave Proton Drive Windows desktop app a trial to see what to expect as and when the Linux version does put in an appearance. As it is now, I would not want to run it for any length of time under Windblows. And although I would feel slightly less uncomfortable under Linux, I can't say I would really want a Linux version in the present form of the Windows app.
One of the major 'no-nos' is it stores the entire content of your Drive in the user directory, unencrypted and worse still, even accessible when you've signed out! Totally unsafe.
I'll happily stick with the web app - it's all I need, really.
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This needs a lot - a whole lot! - more careful thought and consideration. And it's hardly a priority applet IMO. One thing that come straight to mind is that TOR browser needs careful consideration here as it now only accepts bookmarks as .html files. Altogether importing bookmarks into TOR can be quite problematic. I have found this to be especially so with TAILS' version of TOR browser and in the end found it a better solution to just save individual bookmarks, placing them in folders as appropriate, in 'Bookmarks toolbar', or 'Other bookmarks', as appropriate. Not such a big problem here as I don't use a vast number of bookmarks.
A further thought occurs, re: syncing of bookmarks across browsers. This should, if implemented, only be *optional* - e.g., I use mostly different sets of bookmarks in different browsers. Also, this does not take into account browsers running in VMs, nor multi-booting systems.
If this is seriously under review - please Proton, go slow! Not only are there a ton of existing issues that need fixing first, but really, there is a whole lot more that I could comment about on this topic and shall endeavour to do so as/when time permits. And I wish there were more other users with useful feedback/comments/suggestions in this matter!
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TOR network connection for Proton desktop apps would be a great option. However, if one already has one of the paid options for Proton VPN then it would be simple enough to use the Proton/TOR profile, although this is not always desirable of course. So there's definitely a case for this option, as it would be a great privacy and security enhancement.
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Again, more nonsense about a Proton-branded browser! It's about the last thing that's needed in the Proton ecosystem and would be a ludicrous waste of Proton's not unlimited resourses. Fix all existing apps fully and that includes full parity for Linux with Windows/macOS versions, before even considering further apps.
May sanity prevail, not vox popularis!
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I must confess to finding the amount of support for a Proton browser here quite disturbing, and even more so the level if support in Proton's recent user survey. I can only hope that Proton does not follow this through in any way, shape, or form, i.e., that sanity prevails. Implementing a web browser, whether a fork from extant examples or creating one from scratch, would be the most colossal waste of Proton's not limitless resources if not utter insanity.
Proton needs to consolidate its existing apps, eliminate any bugs and minor issues in them and gradually improve them. That takes considerable resources, both in terms of coding manpower and finance, resources that could and certainly should not be squandered on populist wet dreams such as a Proton browser or search engine.
There are already more than enough alternative, privacy-focused browsers - and for that matter, search engines - around that are all struggling to get a decent slice of the user base pie.
In addition to consolidation, there certainly are considerably more important and suitable apps that Proton could implement to expand the ecosystem.
Call me a cynic, but IMO the popular vote has never resulted in anything sensible in almost any field - 'nuff said!
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672 votes
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Already exists! Although, a 'Print multiple emails to (single)) PDF' feature could be useful.
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2,571 votes
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The number of votes for this feature is, in a way, quite worrying at over 3,100. Yes, it would be convenient and all that, but heck, how much does it take to save an attached file to disk and then upload to Drive, or D/L a file from Drive to disk and then attach to email? It's nothing. Why is it people are getting so lazy in everything these days?! Proton's resources surely would be better utilized on other, extant, genuinely important features/apps and ironing out bugs and other issues. Better to have a few, not necessarily fully featured, but (near-as-possible-)perfect apps than a bunch of buggy apps loaded with features that don't work properly and all sorts. Just my 2pence worth.
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Thinking this through, and while I never accept that anything is impossible, this would require some major effort! For starters, a major obstacle could be that both Proton Mail and Drive are independently encrypted. Further, this would require some pretty complex inter-app communication. Plus there's the question, how much of a security risk could this potentially be?
All together it seems far more effort and potential risks than it would be worth. Proton's resources and efforts could be used for more important things IMO.
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@get better - Linux *is* a first class platform. Which is why Proton apps should be completely on par with the other platforms.
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Full Linux parity with Windblows and macOS should be an absolute priority. I use mainly Linux and very little Windows 10, and it's absolutely vital for Linux support to be brought fully up to speed.
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Creating a modern web browser and an independent search engine with its own spiders from scratch would be mammoth tasks in this day and age and, for a search engine, as well as requiring massive resources in terms of cache, storage, and so on. Well beyond Proton in terms of the financial resources that would be needed for either, I'm sure.
Besides, how many people would still be willing to pay for either a browser or a search engine? Even if there were 100 million Proton users willing to pay, that still would not raise enough anyway.
For a browser, at best you'd be looking at a fork or even a fork of a fork of an existing one. And nobody dare suggest Chromium! Basically you'd be looking at yet another Firefox fork, or perhaps a Waterfox - itself a fork off Firefox - one. Perhaps doable? But hardly a priority of any kind, given the number of privacy oriented browsers already out there, led by TOR browser.
For a search engine, it gets even more complicated. Yes, you could do a skeleton search engine interface, but you'd still have to go the same way as DuckDuckGo et al and get into bed with Big Bad G' or 'Big Bad Bing', one way of another paying for search results cache. It's a vexing problem, whichever way you look at it.
All that said, yes, it would be a nice idea though......
I don't know *how many times I have to say this* - There is no problem accessing the web app of Proton Drive under Linux, working fine here even if it could do with one or two improvements. If privacy and security are what is important to you, you certainly would not want a Linux desktop app that's anything like the current Windows Drive one. In its current implementation Drive desktop sadly should be a definite 'thumbs down' for a privacy (and security) focused ecosystem.